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  • backhold 8 minutes ago
    While what's good for a tiny island might not be good for the gander, I like the attached cost analysis of a negative income tax. The author points out that this might be a more practical way to deliver a basic income, and more amenable to both sides of the argument.

    And at more or less no greater cost than the welfare system at time of writing. I wonder how the numbers would shake out now?

    https://martin-farley.medium.com/how-a-negative-income-tax-c...

  • motionlessveloc 2 hours ago
    This doesn't sound terribly different from eg Alaska's Permanent Fund payouts? The main difference seems to be that PF payments fluctuate a lot, while the Marshalls plan seems to be a fixed, predictable sum.
    • _doctor_love 50 minutes ago
      It is very similar but works differently. Also the two programs do not have the same intent.

      The US has a Compact of Free Assocation (COFA) with the Marshall Islands, which provides a lot of the funds for this. Versus Alaska where it is paid for by natural resource extraction. All that said, it is the government of the Marshall Islands making the decision to pay it out this way.

      From the US point of view, this is a good program because it incentivizes people from the Marshall Islands to stay put rather than emigrate to the US mainland (which they have a right to do under the COFA).

  • rambambram 1 hour ago
    Can we please put back the meaning of words?
    • no-name-here 1 hour ago
      Which words? From the reports I've seen, it's available to all citizens, and it's one of the 2 kinds of UBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_basic_income
      • rambambram 34 minutes ago
        • no-name-here 0 minutes ago
          Your link is to the term universal. From the reporting, this payment goes to all citizens including children. Perhaps you could more clearly state your objection?
      • LoganDark 4 minutes ago
        Universal basic income means something you can live on. You cannot really live on $800/mo without support so that is not really UBI. UBI means you don't need external support to sustain comfortable living. That's its entire purpose.

        Even the smallest crappiest studios in most areas exceed $800/mo. Then you also have utilities and food before you even approach comfortable living.

      • caminante 43 minutes ago
        *Partial UBI with only $800/year

        Details aren't as sexy as the headline would lead one to believe.

      • gus_massa 39 minutes ago
        This page https://wage.is/marshall-islands/ claims the average is US$168000 per year and the median US$9600 per year. [My guess is that the poverty line is close to US$5000 per year, probably higher.] This program adds US$800 per year. So it's a "universal partial basic income" instead of a "universal total basic income".

        In all the discussion I remember, "universal basic income" == "universal total basic income" but perhaps I was not paying too much attention.